The news that Michael Gove has finally approved a new coal mine in Cumbria is still sinking in. The whole sorry saga has been dragging on for years, with the can being kicked down the road for far too long, seemingly because politicians lacked the guts to make a decision that they knew was right, but which they also knew would bring howls of protest down on their heads. Those howls of protest come from far and wide, just as did the opponents of the mine whenever there seemed to be any chance at all that it might get the go-ahead.
BBC
Pride of place has to go to the British Broadcasting Corporation. The report on the decision is reasonably balanced, in my opinion, and I give the BBC credit for that. But only for that. For years it has felt as though the BBC was running a determined campaign to ensure that the coal mine never opened (of course, it might not, given the ongoing campaign against the positive decision). The BBC’s opposition really became obvious in 2021 in the run-up to COP 26 in Glasgow. Here’s a flavour of the BBC headlines (I provide embedded links to facilitate reading the articles, should you be so minded) last year, all posts under the headlines being either unattributed or written by the now departed (from the BBC) Roger Harrabin:
8th January 2021: Greta Thunberg criticises Whitehaven coal mine plan
14th January 2021: Government defends Cumbria coal mine green light
The tone of the entire article struck me as hostile:
Environmentalists have reacted with astonishment and disbelief, saying the carbon from burning coal is clearly a global concern.
Extensive quotes were offered up from representatives of Greenpeace and CPRE (both hostile). No quotes were offered (nor indeed any arguments in favour supplied) from supporters of the mine.
8th February 2021: Cumbria coal mine: Climate tsar urged to quit over ‘reckless’ plan
By way of explanation:
The UK’s climate tsar, Alok Sharma, has been urged to resign unless the prime minister scraps plans for a new coal mine in Cumbria.
1st March 2021: Cumbria coal mine plan ‘damaging PM’s reputation’
12th March 2021: Cumbria coal mine: Public inquiry after government U-turn
“Analysis” (by Roger) of the decision quoted “local Conservatives” and “supporters of the mine” (unnamed) as being the two groups in favour, while quoting extensively from opponents Tim Farron, Ed Miliband, Professor Rebecca Willis and Professor Mike Berners-Lee from Lancaster University, Kohn Kerry, “[o]ne of the world’s leading climate scientists, the American James Hansen”, “the government’s climate advisers, along with a crowd of green groups”, as well as noting that “yesterday Alok Sharma was again rebuked by MPs over the plan”. Eleven paragraphs were devoted to the opponents of the mine, while two were devoted to its supporters. Nicely balanced, then!
And for good measure, we had this (unattributed) piece from 29th June 2022: “Cumbria coal mine proposal is indefensible, says UK climate chief”. Lord Deben’s opposition to the mine was quoted extensively, with a quote from Friends of the Earth energy campaigner Tony Bosworth thrown in for good measure (no quotes or arguments cited from anyone in favour of the mine).
Since the reasonably balanced article reporting the decision earlier this week, the BBC has also offered up:
Whitehaven coal mine: An almighty row only just beginning. This time the author is the balanced Chris Mason, and now we find things like this:
Until then, 40% of the coal needed to make steel in the UK, metallurgical coal, the stuff this new mine will dig up, came from, you guessed it: Russia.
Since then, alternative suppliers have been found, but nonetheless the issue of energy security is a salient one…
…The government is arguing their decision is in keeping with their emissions obligations because the alternative would be importing the coal, and alternatives to using coal are a long way off.
And plenty of people in west Cumbria are delighted.
A county with a proud mining heritage sees a proud mining future too.
To my mind, there is more balance in that single article than in any that appeared last year on the BBC website.
The Guardian
Of course, the Guardian. Needless to say the Guardian has long campaigned against the coal mine. This week, since the decision broke, it has given us:
Cumbria coalmine protests planned as local opposition grows
Admittedly it quotes a couple of people who might be described as “local”, but this is stretching “local” a bit:
Carole Wood, the chair of South Lakes Action on Climate Change, said the group was crowdfunding to explore a potential legal challenge.
It is noticeable that a lot of the froth in Cumbria comes from Tim Farron’s constituency. Speaking of whom, the Guardian also offers us this:
“New Cumbria coalmine ‘like opening a Betamax factory’, says Tim Farron”
Mr Farron is duly quoted:
“The only argument at all for this mine that I think has any merit is it will create jobs. The jobs will be created for a very short period of time and they will go if the business case for the mine is as weak as it obviously is.”
The Liberal Democrat MP said the Cumbrian coast was a far more sensible place to invest in “green, renewable energy”.
He added: “This is not only foolish in fact, it’s also foolish politically, as it makes us a laughing stock when it comes to us trying to talk to other countries like China about how they reduce their carbon emissions.”
Well, I suppose we should be grateful that he recognises that bringing jobs to a depressed area with high unemployment is a good thing. Many of the opponents in the main give me the impression that they don’t care about jobs. The problem, of course, with arguing that the better alternative is “green” jobs, is that they never seem to materialise.
As for China and laughing stocks, I think you’re the one having a laugh, Tim. As Brendan O’Neill pointed out in his excellent article in Spiked today, China produces 13 million tonnes of coal a day whereas the new Cumbrian coal mine is projected to produce 2.8 million tonnes of coal a year. Brendan links to an article in Mining [Dot] Com, dated 24th October 2022, which provides some statistics that really ought to give opponents of the mine reason to think again:
China’s September coal production jumped 12.3% from a year earlier to 390 million tonnes, official data showed on Monday, reaching record average daily levels as mines resumed operation after heavy rainfall in the summer months.
The average daily output was equivalent to 13 million tonnes, according to data from the National Bureau of Statistics, which compares to 11.95 million tonnes per day in August and 11.14 million tonnes per day a year earlier.
But back to the Guardian:
Could Cumbria coalmine be stopped despite government green light?
MPs
Look no further than the last Guardian article I cited. Some wondrous quotes from a couple of politicians on different sides of the debate, but in agreement about this (even if they did express their views with differing levels of stridency):
Caroline Lucas, Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion, vowed to keep fighting: “This government has backed a climate-busting, backward-looking, business-wrecking, stranded asset coalmine. This mine is a climate crime against humanity – and such a reckless desire to dig up our dirty fossil fuel past will be challenged every step of the way.”
Philip Dunne, the Tory MP who is chair of the environmental audit committee in parliament, said: “Coal is the most polluting energy source, and is not consistent with the government’s net zero ambitions. It is not clear cut to suggest that having a coalmine producing coking coal for steelmaking on our doorstep will reduce steelmakers’ demand for imported coal. On the contrary, when our committee heard from steelmakers earlier this year, they argued that they have survived long enough without UK domestic coking coal and that any purchase of coking coal would be a commercial decision.”
Tim Farron we have already heard from, on behalf of the Liberal Democrats. How about the Labour Party? Here’s another Guardian (sub) headline from this week: “Ed Miliband vows party will seek to prevent ‘climate-destroying’ plan and if elected would deliver green jobs”. Fuller quote:
Ed Miliband, the shadow climate change secretary, said: “A Labour government will leave no stone unturned in seeking to prevent the opening of this climate-destroying coalmine, and instead ensure we deliver the green jobs that people in Cumbria deserve.”
Of course, it’s not a climate-destroying coal mine. The emissions associated with it are utterly insignificant compared to emissions from coal produced in China, India, Indonesia, Russia and scores of other places (and that’s assuming one signs up to the quasi-religious cult that believes in climate destruction).
What does beggar belief is that a Labour shadow minister – a senior Labour politician, would be so keen to destroy new jobs in an area of high unemployment and deprivation during a cost-of-living crisis. As a former Labour Party activist, I find that very hard to take, but it reminds me why my activism on behalf of the Labour Party is in the past and not current. I recall the words of Neil Kinnock to a Labour Party conference in 1985:
I’ll tell you what happens with impossible promises. You start with far-fetched resolutions. They are then pickled into a rigid dogma, a code, and you go through the years sticking to that, outdated, misplaced, irrelevant to the real needs, and you end in the grotesque chaos of a Labour council – a Labour council – hiring taxis to scuttle round a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers.
I see parallels a-plenty.
Conclusion
I can do no better than end with a quote from the Spiked article by Brendan O’Neill mentioned above:
The overwrought apocalypticism of the likes of Ms Lucas… demonises in the most hysterical fashion perfectly normal and in fact good endeavours. The Cumbria coalmine will create hundreds of well-paid jobs. It will increase the independence and dignity of working-class families in Cumbria. It will help to reduce the UK’s reliance on coal imports. These are positives. They should be celebrated. Of course to Ms Lucas and other middle-class greens, that local communities in Cumbria have welcomed the coalmine only shows that they’re ‘nostalgic’ for the past and that they’ve been ‘seduced’ by a plan that will actually make them ‘suffer’. Patronising much? The Cumbrian working classes who can’t wait to start mining are a paragon of reason in comparison with the Guardianistas madly sobbing about coal being a crime against humanity.
Hot off the press today from the Guardian:
“John Kerry examining likely impact of new UK coalmine
US climate envoy says he will publicly criticise UK’s approval of Cumbrian mine if it adds to emissions”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/10/john-kerry-examining-likely-impact-of-new-uk-coalmine
According to statista:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/949260/number-active-coal-mines-united-states/
by 2021 there were still 970 active coal mines in the USA. I suggest, Mr Kerry, that you mind your own business, and go back to the country whose politics is controlled by your administration, and see what economic harm you can do there rather than seeking to deny jobs here to people in an a depressed area of high unemployment.
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And while you’re at it, Mr Kerry, read this:
“The US is a rogue state leading the world towards ecological collapse
George Monbiot”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/09/us-world-climate-collapse-nations
As usual, IMO George gets more than a little carried away, but he does have a point.
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Need one go further than remind people of Caroline Lucas’s opinion: the Cumbrian coal mine will be “climate busting”. Ask her about coal mines in other countries: Indonesia approx. 250; India 285; USA 970; China 1,110. The UK has 3, and is thinking of opening another one. Not sure Cumbria will do much “busting”.
Wouldn’t it be nice to hear that sort of point put to Ms Lucas on the BBC? Not a chance…
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Indeed Dr Pollock. One might add Germany to that list (and many others).
I find myself asking on a daily basis why UK politicians hate the British people so much.
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It does amaze me when activists say that the approval of the Cumbrian mine gives the wrong message to China. Are we really so full of self-importance that we think China gives a rat’s arse what we do? Are we that naive that we think China would have changed its ways if we had rejected the proposal? Delusion, more than anything, seems the order of the day.
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The argument is very simple. Very easy to confront the dreams about it.
The world needs steel. Steelmaking needs coal. Now do you want the coal to come from our own country where it employs many people in well-paying jobs, or should the coal come from a country with lower environmental controls so you can salve your pollyanna feelings?
If they won’t answer or start talking of fantasy manufacturing, hit them with their hypocrisy of needing steel and carbon fuels for their cosseted lifestyles.
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John, the hubris is immense, isn’t it?
The people campaigning for the UK not to have coal mines, not to frack for gas, not to have ICE cars, not to have gas central heating, not to eat meat, etc etc, all really seem to believe that we in the UK can make a difference to the global climate (in some cases, I even fear that they believe we can make a difference to the UK climate if not to the global climate). They all also seem to believe (or want to believe) that the rest of the world cares about what we do, and will adjust its behaviour accordingly.
It’s fair enough for them to believe in climate apocalypse, since they’re spoon-fed a diet of little else, but the terrifying thing is the failure to accept that the policy response needs to be logical and impactful, and that we in the UK can’t affect climate change if the rest of the world doesn’t play ball (and it isn’t, and there’s no sign that it’s ever going to do so).
Wearing my old lefty hat, the bit that particularly infuriates me is that the people campaigning to keep unemployed people poor and out of work tend to be rather comfortably off themselves. How dare they!
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Chris Morris,
I agree, of course. The problem is that steelmakers in the UK have been heard to mutter things to the effect that they don’t need Cumbrian coal. And they don’t, inasmuch as they can get the coal they need from abroad. But they do need coal, and will continue to do so for many years to come. No coal, no steel. No steel, no renewables industry.
Presumably the people behind the proposed coal mine believe they can mine the coal economically and sell it cheaply enough for steelmakers to buy it from them and for them to make a reasonable profit on it. If not, that’s their lookout. I struggle when politicians claim that it doesn’t make economic sense – in the globalist capitalist world that most of the UK’s politicians are signed up to, that’s not the call of politicians, it’s the call of the businessmen and women who are promoting the business (so long, of course, that they don’t demand financial help from the taxpayer).
Speaking of which, if we shouldn’t support or allow uneconomic businesses, as many politicians contend in the context of the proposed coal mine, why are we still subsidising renewables?
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“New Cumbria coalmine: backlash grows as steel industry plays down demand
‘Red wall credentials’ suspected at Westminster as real reason for approval by Michael Gove”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/11/new-cumbria-coalmine-backlash-grows-as-steel-industry-plays-down-demand
On an on it goes. If the mine had been allowed to proceed when first mooted, rather than being delayed time after time, its coal might actually be in use by now. The plan on the part of opponents seems to be to try to keep kicking the opening date for the mine down the road in the hope that their much-vaunted “green” steel plans become a reality. But that’s an issue for the developers of the mine, not for its opponents. The opposition is nakedly political.
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And they’re not done yet – talk about obsession:
“The Observer view on the indefensible decision to open a deep coalmine in a climate crisis”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/11/the-observer-view-on-indefensible-decision-to-open-a-deep-coalmine-in-a-climate-crisis
A “brief” boost to local employment. How shocking, in a deprived area with high levels of unemployment!
And they insist it will be “brief”:
And yet the final paragraph in the article opens with this:
Well what’s it to be? 13 years or less, and “these jobs are going to be short lived” or 30 years or more? Make your minds up. If you’re going to oppose it, at least try to be consistent in your arguments!
And even if it should be 250 million tonnes of emissions over 30 years, it might be helpful if you put that into some sort of context – it represents, on current numbers (which will probably grow between now and at least 2030), around 8 months of emissions from Chinese coal mines (never mind the ones in India, Indonesia, Russia, USA etc).
Also, given that the mine is projected to release 2.8 million tonnes a year, someone needs a maths lesson – 30 x 2.8 = 84 million, or at least it did when I went to school. I’m not surprised that no link is offered to the claim of 250 million tonnes of emissions over 30 years.
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It is good to see that Paul Homewood has spelt out the reality about coal and steelmaking
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/12/11/aep-throws-his-toys-out-of-the-pram-again/#more-60469
More grist for the mill and to file away
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When did Lucas last call out the ‘crimes against humanity’ of the steel manufacture needed for wind turbines, using the same coking coal she moans about now?
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Re the 13 or 30 years comment, could that be something to do with future carbon capture plans?
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Well, that didn’t take too long:
Friends of the Earth, enemies of the working class…
“Whitehaven coal mine: Friends of the Earth to launch legal fight”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-64165419
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Mark –
““A critical issue raised by Friends of the Earth during the inquiry was the signal that granting a new coal mine in the middle of a climate emergency would send to the rest of the world.”
they must have missed/ignorant off your link – https://www.miningreview.com/coal/global-coal-consumption-rises-to-all-time-high-amidst-energy-crisis/
partial quote from above link –
“Keisuke Sadamori, IEA Director of Energy Markets and Security says – ….Coal demand is stubborn and will likely reach an all-time high this year, pushing up global emissions. At the same time, there are many signs that today’s crisis is accelerating the deployment of renewables, energy efficiency and heat pumps – and this will moderate coal demand in the coming years. Government policies will be key to ensuring a secure and sustainable path forward.”
dream on Keisuke.
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Old news, but still worth a read:
“Lützerath: German coal mine stand off amid Ukraine war energy crunch”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64187212
Compare Whitehaven. No villages will be destroyed by that coal mine. I wonder why John Kerry thought it appropriate to intervene regarding the Whitehaven mine but hasn’t (so far as I am aware) made any comments about this. Remember:
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“New Cumbria coalmine likely to break UK’s climate pledge, analysis says
Whitehaven colliery will release about 17,500 tonnes of methane every year, estimates thinktank”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/17/cumbria-coalmine-uk-climate-goals-methane-emissions
Whatever “the world has agreed”, it isn’t binding and it isn’t being implemented by most countries around the world (including the ones that matter, as putting out most and/or growing emissions). Would comfortable middle class people please stop campaigning against working class jobs in an a deprived area of high unemployment, especially as the mine going ahead will make no difference to the world’s climate, whatever campaigners claim.
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“The Whitehaven colliery, controversially approved by ministers shortly before Christmas, will release about 17,500 tonnes of methane every year, according to estimates from the Green Alliance thinktank.
That is about the same as 120,000 cattle, or about half the beef herd in Cumbria at present, and could put the UK’s methane-cutting targets out of reach.”
this has to be the most stupid comment.
will Attenborough give an methane estimate for Africa I wonder!!!
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dfhunter,
You only have to posit the issue in those terms, and you instantly realise the folly, futility, and impossibility of the net zero agenda.
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“Why this town wants its coal mine back amidst the climate crisis”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2023/mar/07/why-this-town-wants-its-coal-mine-back-amidst-the-climate-crisis-video
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“Whitehaven coal mine legal challenge rejected”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-65253462
However, perhaps inevitably:
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Mark,
That’s good news.
‘South Lakes’ – the RICH area of Cumbria, a world away from the economically deprived NORTH WEST lakes region of Whitehaven and environs. This is the photo they choose to advertise their coalmine campaign. Look at them – a pathetic looking bunch of middle class, middle-aged, climate cultists with time on their hands, living in the well-to-do areas of Windermere, Coniston and Kendal, who haven’t got the foggiest notion of what it’s like to grow up and live in a working class former industrial town like Whitehaven and try to find a decent, secure income. The Whitehaven coalmine has given Whitehaven residents hope for a brighter future. They don’t need people like this interfering in order to save the planet from a completely fictional ‘climate crisis’.
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Jaime, my thoughts exactly. There is little more annoying to this grizzled old one-time Labour supporter than comfortably-off people campaigning against well-paid jobs in a depressed area of high unemployment. They like to think of themselves as enlightened progressives. I think of them as insufferable.
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“Lords amendment to energy bill may stop new coalmines in England
Change to bill says opening and licensing of new coalmines by the Coal Authority to be prohibited”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/17/lords-amendment-to-energy-bill-may-stop-new-coalmines-in-england
Abolition or serious reform (to make it democratic) of the House of Lords is long overdue. How dare these comfortable people legislate against well-paid jobs in poor deprived areas?
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“Merthyr Tydfil: UK’s largest opencast coalmine to shut”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65399546
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They are literally waging war against cheap, home-grown, easily exploitable energy sources, which benefit us all and which provide jobs in some of the most economically deprived areas of the UK. My contempt for these treacherous, unhinged, ‘I’m alright Jack’ eco-nutjobs knows no bounds.
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The BBC can’t let it go:
“Ffos-y-Fran: First minister supports closure of coalmine”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65417495
What a strange quote regarding extracting finite resources. What does he think we are doing extracting the resources need to make renewables work? And what strange times we live in – a Labour First Minister welcoming a decision that will render working-class people unemployed.
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All that fuss over one modestly-sized proposed mine. Meanwhile…
“Coal India readies 52 projects to reach 1 BT target”
https://www.constructionworld.in/energy-infrastructure/coal-and-mining/coal-india-readies-52-projects-to-reach-1-bt-target/40932
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“Locals in this British seaside town could revolutionise green energy – if the government lets them
Rebecca Willis”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/18/british-seaside-town-revolutionise-green-energy
Alternatively, locals in this British seaside town could already have 500 well-paid jobs (with many more jobs spinning off) in a productive industry (a coal mine) that won’t kill birds and won’t be a blight on the landscape, if “greens” from outside the area would desist from bringing Court cases with a view to trying to stop the mine and ensuring that people in an area of high unemployment remain on the dole.
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Mark – from – https://www.westcumbriamining.com/
“West Cumbria Mining Limited (WCM) is a privately owned UK company, based in West Cumbria, focussed on producing high quality metallurgical coal to supply the steel industry at home and in Europe.”
and
“For use by steelmakers as a direct replacement for USA coals. It has highly attractive properties for steelmaking, including ultra-low ash and very low Phosphorus. With excellent existing infrastructure, this can be delivered on a ‘just-in-time’ basis to Europe, using a variety of vessel sizes up to Cape or by rail to UK steelmakers.”
wonder where coal for power stations comes from? – https://www.britishgas.co.uk/energy/guides/energy-sources.html#:~:text=Just%20over%20half%20of%20the%20coal%20in%20the,imported%20from%20countries%20like%20the%20USA%20and%20Venezuela.
“Phasing out coal
The UK’s reliance on coal is reducing every year with only two coal-fired power stations connected to the UK grid.
By 2025 coal will be phased out completely as part of the country’s commitment to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050.
Where we get our coal
Just over half of the coal in the UK average electricity mix is mined in the UK. The rest is imported from countries like the USA and Venezuela.”
ps – probably get stuck in the bin again, so a song to cheer me up –
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=oh+well+fleetwood+mac&view=detail&mid=6239A8A4CC66A8DFB3826239A8A4CC66A8DFB382&FORM=VIRE
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dfhunter,
Apologies for your comment’s temporary sojourn on the Naughty Step.
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“Fresh calls to scrap Cumbrian coalmine amid steel industry’s green push
UK’s coal-hungry blast furnaces likely to be replaced, making economic case for mine ‘dead in the water’ says local MP”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/07/fresh-calls-to-scrap-cumbrian-coalmine-amid-steel-industrys-green-push
I’ve news for the Guardian – Tim Farron is not the (or even a) local MP, so far as the proposed mine is concerned. His constituency is on the other side of the county and on the other side of the Cumbrian mountains, a very long drive away.
And what a brilliant strategy. Let’s destroy thousands of jobs in the steel-making industry for the net zero cause, and in the process let’s undermine potential jobs in the coal-mining industry. Why do our MPs hate working class people so much? And, another interesting point – one of the arguments originally used by the anti-mine lobby was that the coal it produced would be exported and not used domestically. Now Farron seems to have reversed that argument in his desperate fervour to deny good quality jobs to a depressed region.
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Mark,
for some reason Tim Farron always gets a negative say (moan) on MSM about anything.
I find him a bit irritating as he seems to think as ex leader of the Liberal Democrats he still has clout.
wonder what he has to say about the following –
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Coal-Exports-To-Europe-Soar-Despite-Energy-Transition.html
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/europe-energy-crisis-coals-making-a-comeback-heres-why-2022-9
PS – reading “Black Gold” by Paxman at the moment, subtitled “the history of how coal made Britain”
only quick comment from the book so far is, we were exporting coal from Newcastle to Europe from the start it seems.
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Mark Jenkinson (Con) still supports and he IS a local MP:
“Mark Jenkinson, the Conservative MP for Workington in west Cumbria and a former apprentice with British Steel, said he still 100% supported the new mine because of the continued need for coking coal in electric arc furnaces, and the desire to avoid emissions associated with transporting it into the UK.”
It would be even better if he was to come outright and say, ‘I support this mine, not only because coking coal is still needed but primarily because it will provide MY constituents with much needed employment during very challenging times. Tim Farron, NOT a local MP, is NOT concerned about depriving MY constituents of these much needed jobs in order to virtue signal his support for Net Zero.’ He won’t though, because he risks being slapped down by the Net Zero zealots in his own party. Ugghhh! Makes me sick.
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Stupid! I have to log in TWICE to comment. WP sucks.
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Really? On what planet? What arrogance! Do these people really believe that China and India are ploughing ahead with massive expansion of huge coal-fired electricity generation because we in the UK are talking about opening one small coal mine? Lord Turner might believe that, I very much doubt that he’s correct:
“Allowing Cumbria coalmine was ‘disaster’ for climate diplomacy, says Lord Turner
Former chair of climate change committee says UK’s decision has encouraged other countries to keep exploiting fossil fuels”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/nov/16/allowing-cumbria-coalmine-was-disaster-for-climate-diplomacy-says-lord-turner
They might have told him that, but if he believes them, then I suggest that he was in the wrong job. They (China and India) would have done it anyway. The most that can be said is they chuckled as they told the neo-colonialist to mind his own business.
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1st – “Lord Turner told the Guardian that he had “literally been involved in discussions” in China and India where UK decisions had been given as a reason for not moving faster on the climate.”
why was he is any discussions, who payed him for his discussions?
2nd – Is the Lord so thick he really thinks “the Cumbrian coalmine was a disaster globally”
wonder how much he gets paid to spout sh*t.
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“New coal mine’s business case ‘is dead'”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx71wzp9qego
Creating 500 well-paid jobs in a deprived area – that would just be cruel, wouldn’t it? As for the business case, isn’t that for the business owners to decide, especially if (unlike Mr Farron’s much-loved “renewables”), they’re neither seeking nor going to receive taxpayer-funded subsidies?
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“West Cumbria Mining confident work will start next year on Whitehaven coal mine”
https://cumbriacrack.com/2023/12/21/west-cumbria-mining-confident-work-will-start-next-year-on-whitehaven-coal-mine/
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The endless Guardian obsession with small mine that hasn’t even opened yet just goes on and on:
“Government documents ‘blow gaping hole’ in its case for Cumbrian coalmine
Michael Gove said UK needed coal to make steel, but business department papers drafted around same time say it will not”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/02/government-documents-said-to-blow-gaping-hole-in-its-case-for-cumbrian-coalmine
And if they’re wrong?
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The people who oppose this mine and think that the British steel making industry should be based only on arc furnaces (using prodigious amounts of allegedly ‘Green’ electricity), meaning that Britain can never again produce its own virgin steel, whilst other countries crack ahead regardless, are fanatics, extremists. They harbour an obsessive fossil fuel phobia, of coal especially, but one which is largely limited to fossil fuels extracted on British soil. They are encouraged and enabled in their extremist views by the law itself, by Net Zero legislation, drafted in by a Conservative government. They are using this government legislation to oppose ANY development of industry involving fossil fuels and they are engaing in active lawfare (funded by profit-driven Green billionaires) to further their ideological aims. Sunak pontificates in front of No.10 about the ‘threat to our democracy’ coming equally from Islamic extremists (which his government taxi’d across the Channel), plus the threat from the mythical ‘far right’, but he completely ignores the threat to our very lives and livelihoods posed by green fanatical extremists emboldened and enabled by Government policies and government introduced legislation. Now the Conservative government are going to willingly hand over this poisonous legacy of home grown and imported extremism to Labour, so they can further exploit its destructive potentialities in order to completely destroy our nation.
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Mark Jenkinson MP has got into a hilarious exchange with JSO activists on X, who travelled up from Kendal to campaign for the closure of the mine. He’s accused them of basically lying, being terrorists and part of the great unwashed!
But I can’t post the tweets unfortunately because WP is sodding around again.
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This is JSO’s ludicrous press release, accusing Jenkinson of being a climate criminal and climate crisis denier! They deserve every insult he hands out to them.
https://juststopoil.org/2024/03/15/just-stop-oil-supporters-disrupt-climate-criminal-mp/
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Thanks for the link Jaime – partial quote –
“As the world passes tipping points that threaten the breakdown of ordered civilization, world leaders, captured by the interests of oil lobbyists and big business, are failing to protect our communities. British citizens are sick of being led by liars and crooks. Until we stop Tory oil, gas and coal, supporters of Just Stop Oil will continue taking proportionate action to demand necessary change”
Said 10? people who are the British citizens voice & must be heard
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JSO morons have turned up at Mark Jenkinson’s constituency office. One of them claims to be an NHS nurse who is accusing him of endangering children’s health by supporting the opening of the coal mine! If she’s representative of the quality of employees in the NHS then God help us. Also, if the cop that turned up, claiming that the posters were only ‘temporary’ and did not constitute criminal damage is representative of the calibre of Cumbrian police officers, then also God help us. They pasted those posters onto the windows with wallpaper paste or similar. That IS criminal damage. Apparently, they’ve now been arrested at home, probably after the cop checked his police manual to discover that it was indeed criminal damage. IMO, they should also have been arrested for being criminally stupid.
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Jaime,
I was never a criminal lawyer, so I claim no expertise regarding identifying whether or not something represents criminal damage. However, a few seconds on the internet suggests that the policeman outside Mark Jenkinson’s office claiming that there was no criminal damage, may well have been wrong. Here are a few extracts from the CPS website:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/criminal-damage
Section 1(1) of the Criminal Damage Act 1971:
And the CPS commentary:
It rather sounds as though the actions in question would have constituted criminal damage if committed within a police station, so why are they not criminal damage when committed against an MP’s office?
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Jaime – what a joke the police response was in that clip, it will embolden these JSO nutters in future intimidating stunts & you have to wonder, if the police take no action to protect law abiding Citizens, how long before someone gets seriously hurt.
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It was the arrogant and dismissive attitude of that cop which also got to me. He wasn’t even talking to one of us law-abiding plebs, he was talking to the local MP! Still, at least he was not upholding the law without fear or favour, so that’s something I guess!
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“MP hits out at ‘spoilt middle-class climate clowns'”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0de49lyxvmo
Which is a bit rich from people whose behaviour is adolescent in the extreme.
Interesting that they use a convoluted form of words to avoid denying his claim:
If they didn’t drive there in ICE cars, why not simply say as much? No comment either regarding his claims about their use of other polluting materials.
PS I am no Mark Jenkinson fan, and I won’t be voting for him at the next general election. That is not to say, however, that the actions of JSO are remotely justified. Middle class people from comfortable homes travelling to a deprived area to campaign to deny jobs to poor and unemployed people. How very progressive and liberal! If the opening of the coal mine would make a difference to anything, they might have a point, but it won’t. On the other hand, not allowing it to open with have a direct and negative effect on the lives of poor and unemployed west Cumbrians who might be lifted out of poverty by the employment opportunities it offers.
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Exactly Mark, I don’t support Jenkinson; he is just another of the Tory party faithful and he voted in favour of forcing car manufacturers to make EVs and fine them for producing too many ICE cars, which makes him rather a hypocrite, but his views on these JSO morons coincide with mine.
This appears to be his last tweet on the issue and he has disable replies. The point is, Cumbria Police response was not adequate at the time and it remains to be seen whether these idiots will actually be charged with criminal damage. He obviously had to push them to make the arrests. Another example of climate activists being given the softly softly treatment by British police. The PC who arrived ‘swiftly’ – after the criminal damage had been done – said it was a “peaceful protest” and “at this time no offences have been committed”. Not good enough.
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This makes the Cumbria police look rather foolish. Perhaps they should educate their officers on the law. But let’s see if the four of them are charged with criminal damage. It’s interesting to note that only one of them is an actual constituent of Jenkins.
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