UPDATE: My interlocutor’s ingenuousness has taken a turn for the questionable again, with a sudden return to It-Might-Be-Parody Land:
Where in all of the facts out there, does it say that we’ll be fine? Trust me, I WANT to see the facts and information that tells me that we’re fine. nothing is going to change, the icecaps aren’t melting, the jet stream isn’t slowing down, the coral reefs aren’t dying, we’re not going to lose all large ocean life by 2050, 21 cities in India aren’t going to run out of groundwater by next year, the ogallala aquifer won’t run out of water in the next couple decades, the bees won’t be extinct by 2035, and we’re not heading for 4 c and hotter temps by 2060….
Taken literally, he would appear to think science works like Homer’s False Alarm. What do you think, have I been ‘had,’ or had I better proceed as though un-had?
I hope you’ve all read by now the Australian Broadcasting Corporations’s morbidly fascinating blog post Breaking up over climate change: My deep dark journey into doomer Facebook. (It even quotes a tweet by Stuart Capstick of On the Couch fame.)
Pictured: Contemplate this on the tree of woe.
Thereunder, things have been getting real for yours truly. Over the last couple of days I’ve been exchanging comments with someone called Kevin Stevens, who purports to be writing from the darkness of the Doomer bunker itself. I’m speaking figuratively, or at least I think I am, about Kevin’s location. It’s probably just a mindset, but it might as well be a barbed-wired compound. A tight-knit vanguard of True Believers claims to be holding a sort of countdown as they mark off human civilization’s last remaining years, with straight faces, on their clock of doom.
Andy West will surely get a kick out of the cultural-identity-protective behaviors Kevin is engaged in, centred around abusing anybody who dares suggest we’re not actually living in the End Times. For me it’s like being an Anthropologist on Mars, or in the Anthropocene.
It might be a while before a research opportunity like this comes around again.
I’m reposting the thread to date, as follows, in case it inspires you to join my little expedition—or you simply have a request or strategy or opinion to offer regarding the next conversational move I should make. The italics are mine.
[Another option worth worth exploring, I think, would be to place someone inside the cult itself—the Near Term Human Extinction Support Group (NTHESG) on facebook—provided we can get past the paranoid bouncers. —BK]
I’m all about a 3rd option. Let’s hear it.
With all the putting down of the NTHESG, I never once heard a valid point against the premise of the group.
I liken the group to be like a support group for people with terminal cancer
We’re the realists We know what’s coming, we just accept it, and anyone who tells us anything other than what we know as truth, isn’t welcome.
What is so hard to understand about that?
Giving false hope should be criminal, but instead, it’s looked at as “humane” . Hope is dumb.
There’s fact, and there’s fiction.
If everyone grasped that concept, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, because we would have looked at the facts, and fixed the issues before they became a serious problem.
The fact is simple It’s too late to do anything about climate change.
The fact is, it’s much worse than is being reported.
The fact is, we’re fucked.
I really don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that.
“The fact is, it’s much worse than is being reported.”
Except by you, you mean.
Thank God the truth can now be found—not in the scientific literature of course, but in Facebook threads.
lmao. If you want to believe that, go right ahead. ( and no….I don’t mean by me, btw.) I’m not here to educate you. That’s really funny! “Not in the scientific literature”
I see. So the fact that it’s much worse than is being reported is, in fact, being reported? In the “scientific literature,” no less?
Well then, don’t keep me in suspense. I’m dying (I don’t mean that literally! Or do I?) to know where exactly in “the scientific literature” I might find this… finding.
Because if it’s true, I may need a support group to help me deal with the emotions it triggers.
Preferably one that is hostile to, and openly wishes to criminalize, outsiders who dare dispute the scientific reality that “we’re fucked.”
One more thing: why are the world’s scientists conspiring against your group by keeping quiet about the imminent climate clusterfuck by which the planet will soon be rapestormed into uninhabitability?
Why does the IPCC fail, year after year after year, to report the awful truth of which you are one of the lonely few custodians, Kevin?
For starters, the IPCC doesn’t fail to report it, you just fail to listen to it, and secondly, aren’t smart enough to know that by the time the IPCC comes out and issue a statement, the data that they’re using are already at least 10 years old.
Third, obviously nothing I can show you, is going to convince you, because you’ve already shown that you don’t listen to what you’re already being told.
In 2018, the IPCC issued a report saying that we have 12 years, (now 10) to fix climate change, or face catastrophic consequences.
And again, using common sense, the data used to come up with that conclusion are 10 years old.
The Arctic is going to be ice free by 2025, or sooner, based on current observed trends, (actually got pretty close this year) and you have to look no further than watching Paul Beckwith on YouTube to find that out. He’s an actual climate scientist who is not tied to the fossil fuels industry.
But, meh you don’t care. You know everything you need to know.
You say that “using common sense, the data used to come up with that conclusion are 10 years old.”
1) if you’re talking about the IPCC, no, the cutoff date for papers to be considered for inclusion in the panel’s reports is a few months in advance, not a *decade.*
2) if data are 10 years behind reality, you can’t possibly know whether things got worse or better in the intervening decade. Assuming privileged psychic access to the truth of the universe is pre-scientific, not prescient.
You fascinate me, Kevin. Your naked resentment towards anyone who dares tell you things might not be as bad as you think is counterintuitive.
What emotional preparations have you made for the eventuality that the world *fails* to be brought to its knees according to your hoped-for timetable? (In the literature that studies cults, such non-apocalypses are often called The Great Disappointment.)
Have you set a date by which, if no armageddon has occurred, you promise yourself to cut your losses and get out of your doomsday sect? I’d suggest you do so, and make sure you stick to that date, without making excuses, because otherwise it’s all too easy to get sucked into a cycle of despair and spend your whole life hoping for one Ragnarok after another that never arrives.
Do you really want to still be ten years away from an ecological holocaust when you turn sixty?
Where in the thousands of pages of IPCC AR5 can I find the revelation that we’re fucked, by the way?